How bad were Arsenal against Swansea???

[John]

BnG, I can only completely agree. I think Arsenal are getting somewhat of a shock this season, we anticipated it, knew it was going to happen, just didn't know when it would hit and it seems it is doing that right now.

Arsenal, on this form, are a mid table club. No doubt about it. The problem is, in the past, we just about had the players to pull us out of the mire. Sadly, this is not the case now. Our squad is a mid table squad and there is no silver lining (apart from the January transfer window...if we spend..).

Dark days ahead I fear for Gooners though the one bright side of this catastrophe is that as the club falls to mid table or worse, Kroenk will either have to spend and spend big or see his investment dwindle away as the club falls out of the champions league spots and away down the league to compete for mid table spots.

Unlike his other sporting investments in the US, there is no guarantee of profits, no select league where only the few compete, here, Arsenal can fall...and fall...and fall. Hopefully he will see reason.

Wenger is now bereft of ideas, clinging to a belief that we have always managed and will do so again now. Arsenal were once a big club...on par with Man Utd in footballing terms and with potential to go onwards...but you wouldn't see the owners, the board or the manager let Man Utd slip into mid table status within 3 or 4 seasons without a fight. Wenger should be praised for managing to do what he has with limited resources thus far but I think we now need a manager who values silverware above the balance sheet, especially within a club that has such a healthy financial outlook for their investors but a diabolical one for supporters.

dark days...

John

[boundngag]

The Glazers may have saddled Man Utd with a load of debt and do take money out of their clubs, but at least they have recognised the need to invest in transfers, in order to keep the club at the top. It makes you wonder what Kroenke is trying to achieve, as gradually falling down the league will lead to less money (no money from Champion's League qualification, no money from winning tournaments) being generated.

As well as this, Wenger seems to be suggesting that he wont spend money in January. Oh dear. What do you think it would take for the Arsenal board to sack Wenger, given that at the moment, all they ever do is release statements saying how great he is?

[John]

Note to Wenger : whilst we applaud the efforts to achieve success on a shoestring, perhaps there is a lesson to be learned. Man Utd signed Van Persie from us in order to get a top striker.....and compete for top spot. Arsenal signed Giroud and are competing for mid table mediocrity

Deperate..

[boundngag]

So, another player leaves Arsenal and now looks set for success... looks like that list of medals players who have left Arsenal have won is set to increase. I wonder if Wenger has read about that? I hope so!